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ask your doctor about farxiga and visit our website to learn how you may be able to get every month free. the white house hacked. the big question is -- who did it? is there a russian connection? how did they get into a network that you would think is one of the most secure in the world? and what went wrong? a huge explosion over virginia rains rocket parts all over. thankfully this was unmanned, but what does it mean for the future of the space program? >> and a possible major development in ferguson, missouri. cnn learns the police chief may be on his way out as the city braces for word on a possible indictment. hello, everyone, i'm john
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berman. i'm michaela pereira, great to have you with us. those stories and more ahead at this hour. we do have some breaking news just in on ebola. just a few minutes ago, we learned that defense secretary chuck hagel announced a 21-day quarantine upon return for all military personnel who serve in ebola-stricken areas of west africa. >> it's important to point out that this policy for returning military personnel creates a separate set of rules than what the white house has pushed for for civilian health care workers. i want to turn to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. we'll also brick in dr. frank esper, infectious disease specialist. i think barbara we'll start with you at the pentagon. why this double standard different set of guidelines? >> good morning. this was expected, everybody had been waiting for it. what the secretary has ordered is a quarantine for everybody. but they don't really even know at this point how they'll do it. they'll take 15 days to figure out how to implement it. where do they put people? how do they monitor them? nobody has the answers to any of
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that and then in 45 days they'll review and see if it's really necessar necessary. >> barbara, chag uck hagel is speaking about it right now. >> our men and women would be returning from west africa. that policy was put in place by the chief of staff of the army a couple days ago for general williams and 10 of his associates who are now back at their base in italy and what i said in response was give me the operational specifics of how that would work. and i believe we should review that policy within 45 days. the military will have more
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americans in liberia than any other department. that's number one. number two, our people are younger, the cohorts are different. they are not volunteers. and this is also a policy that was discussed in great detail by the communities, by the families of our military men and women and they very much wanted a safety valve on this some that's essentially what the directive says. >> so that's the news of the day, let's talk about broader pictures. steve in his introduction mentioned the parts in the world -- >> that was chuck hagel. he's speaking at the ideas forum, a wonk conference in the washington, d.c. area. he made this announcement talking about this 21-day quarantine for returning military personnel from those three west african nations dealing with ebola right now. barbara star is with us.
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barbara, give us context. >> let's pun pack this and explain what's going on behind the scenes here. several military officials are telling us that it was last friday in the tank, the secure room in the pentagon, the chiefs met and decided they wanted a quarantine. why did they decide this? what we know now is that they felt they didn't have any new medical data or scientific data, we are assure of that, but they had a lot of anxieties about all of this. their feeling was families were concerned. military communities were concerned but most importantly to them large number of young troops, very young people serving on this mission who have no health care training, no medical experience and to be very frank i have been told by several official this is morning that chiefs were concerned if they left it to be a voluntary monitoring of your temperature these young troops might not do
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it, they might come home, go out with their friends and basically the chiefs felt they couldn't trust them. that's the very perhaps sensitive bottom line here. secretary hagel did not want to go the fuel route of a mandatory 21 day quarantine for everybody. he wanted caveats, he knows the politics, he knows the white house doesn't want the country in a quarantine mode so he went for the middle ground. he said okay, you can have it, we'll figure out how to do it but in 45 days, we'll review it and really see if it's absolutely necessary. so there's a lot of high level internal pentagon politics here. >> so many people have talked about adapting as we go with this. dr. esper, we are so quickly reminded by medical experts we have on our air that we have to stick to the science of this when we're dealing with ebola. yet we hear the military
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reacting essentially to-to-anxiety within their military families and personnel and it feels like a bit of a disconnect. do you think that's troublesome? >> there is a difference between what we see in military versus what we see in civilian when it comes from infections. i think what the joint chiefs were reacting to is a history of infections within the military where we can see entire forces that are incapacitated from mild diseases like diarrheal disease or influenza where it inhibits their capabilities because these individuals, these brave soldiers, are working in very close quarter, living in very close quarters and they can spread infections much, much easier than individuals living in the suburbs and cities.
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but it's important to realize that they're saying this is how we're starting but in a few days we're going to revisit this to see whether or not it's needed. >> barbara, you spent a lot of time with the military, i spent my share of time embedded with them also, you don't get places fast a lot of the time so when does the clock start tick? in some cases from the moment they leave west africa to the time they might be back with their family members that might not be much shorter than 21 day days. >> what we know is while they're in west africa their temperature is continually monitored. they are not going home if they show any symptoms. they will be asystem mmptomatic
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getting on that plane. we brought that story to everyone yesterday that a two-star general and his team is quarantined in italy. there will be 75 of them quarantined in italy by this weekend. none are showing symptoms but they are ordered by the army to stay in this building and stay inside. a lot of this is being driven by practical logistics. you are going to see perhaps 4,000 troops over there. it's going to be difficult for the u.s. military to put 4,000 people in quarantine. the simple question of where they put time, how they house them, how this would all work is just is for the pentagon an overwhelming prospect. >> barbara, thank you so much. i want to turn to our white house correspondent michelle kosinski. we heard the president urging caution and reminding us we
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should treat these people going to the front lines in west africa as people doing god's work yet there are going to be some of this optics that people will struggle with. we understand from dr. esper's point of view that maybe there is reason the military is treated differently than uncivilian bus there will be some that will have a problem with the optics, no? >> we've heard different explanations at different times because they keep emphasizing it needs to be based on the science. so now you have people who directly worked and care for victims of this disease in africa coming back and not being immediately quarantine d then yu have members of the military that came into contact with zero patients and are not providing any medical care and they go into immediate quarantine. that's an enormous gap there in reaction. also the white house and pentagon and other levels of government were supposedly so closely coordinating on the response. so this question came up in great detail yesterday to the
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white house. why this big discrepancy? why the difference in treatment? does the white house disagree with the pentagon? if it doesn't seem to be based on the same science that the white house keeps relying upon. the white house response is this, that you have thousands of members of the military coming back, you have only dozens per week of health care workers, they say it is good to monitor them but you want to do it on a case-by-case basis and with the military and those numbers it's just not feasible to do it on a case-by-case basis. that's the white house's take. >> interesting this new policy now in place. >> really, really interesting. >> chuck hagel announcing it 2. 1-day quarantine for military personnel. that could be as many as 4,000 u.s. military personnel by the time all is said and done. >> key to this is they realize at some point they have to look at it, re-evaluate and continue to tweak these measures. our big thanks to me s s ts to
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clark kent irvin, former office of the inspector general for homeland security. clark, one might think the computer systems in and around the white house would be among the most secure on zblert one might think that. >> so how could bit that someone hacks in. >> well, that's right, john. there's no question that the white house is among the most secure but it's not impenetrable. there are attacks against the white house everyday or virtually everyday and other government systems as well. this one is a horse of a different color. according to news reports it was persistent, sustained and we're good at attribution so it's pretty clear at least there's a consensus that this was emanating from russia. if it, in fact, did emanate from russia, ma that makes sense. there's no question that putin is at a minimum an adversary of the united states if not a down right enemy. >> help us understand what points to it being from the kremlin as the "washington post" -- elaborate for people that might have missed that reporting. >> a couple of things. we're very good at tracking exactly where threats come from.
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that's called attribution. so the signs point to russia being the source for this, point one. then we have to put that against the context. the context, of course, is this geopolitical cat and mouse game that's going on between the united states and russia around the world. it's clear that putin is testing us and using every means available short of war to contest america's supremacy in the world geopolitically. so those two things together suggest this is emanating from there. >> are we doing this, too, clark? sorry, you think this is the russian military, you think this is a kremlin thing, not a russian mobster thing. they're the ones who break into the banks and financial institutions but you say it's directed by the russian regime as it were. this that makes me wonder is this the type of thing the united states tries to do when it can? >> i think that's a very good question, john, and the answer is, yes. we are certainly capable of offensive operations. we've done that, notably, in iran to slow down the iranian
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nuclear program. there are news reports from time to time that cyber command, dod, is working to figure out the rules of the road with regard to offensive operations generally. my bet is we're doing some of that with the russians and chinese because they're engaging in industrial size espionage both economically and militarily. my bet is as i say we're doing some of it. i don't know if we're doing enough. unless we raise the cost to russia and china for engaging in these activities, it seems it will continue to happen and pose an increasingly important danger to our country. >> clark, i want to ask for your reaction to the fact we know security is being beefed up around several federal buildings around the nation. >> nearly 10,000. >> a substantial amount. meanwhile, the department of homeland security is saying it's not tied to a specific threat. do you buy that? >> i think the way to square that circle michaela is there's probably no specific intelligence saying this
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particular building and this particular city on this particular day in this particular way is being targeted but against the backdrop of what happened in canada and isis having called upon its followers around the world to target individuals, military installations, political installations of allies, the united states itself and our allies around the world, it's understandable that we will take these measures. the bad news is there have been concerns about the federal protective service in the past, the component of the department of homeland security that is in charge of securing these buildings. there are only about 900 full time law enforcement personnel but there are about 15,000 coract guards who guards these facilities and they're uneven in terms of their quality. so i've been among those in the past calling for at least federalizing the guard force because of the importance of the security of these buildings around the country. >> nearly 10,000 of them will have their security increased starting now. clark kent earvin, thank you for
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possible dramatic development from ferguson, missouri. overnight, cnn learned the city's police chief is expected to step down. that word comes just days before we could get news about whether a grand jury will issue an indictment for officer darren wilson for shooting and killing michael brown. >> chief thomas jackson apologized last month for how his department handled the initial investigation into michael brown's death, but calls
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for him to step down certainly have not abated and protests over brown's death continue. our justice reporter evan perez joins us now from d.c. i'm curious what your sources are telling you. because we're hearing one side say one thing and sources say another thing. >> the police chief tom jackson is expected to step down as part of this reform plan for the ferguson police department and in his place, into t st. louis county police department is expected to take over management of the police department there, as you mentioned, that i ear kind of preparing for the results to come from this grand jury whether or not they're going to indict officer darren wilson in the shooting of michael brown. and there's a lot of concern about what the streets of ferguson -- the reaction will be on the streets of ferguson and they want to focus on changing the department because hay obviously had a bad relationship with the local community. >> which seems completely
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separate in some cases. not completely separate but that is a separate issue to the whole michael brown saga at this point. evan, the mayor of ferguson was asked by our sara sidner about the idea of chief jackson stepping down and he says no. let's listen. >> reporter: is there a plan in place if jackson steps down? >> no. no. >> reporter: are you given any impression -- >> people have been saying that for months. we've stood by him this entire time so there's no change on that. >> i suppose the question is, is, it may not be up to him. does he just not know about it or is this something that will be imposed. when we say "step down," is he being forced to step down? >> this is part of a discussion that's ongoing with the state, the governor's office, the federal government and local officials and there's been a lot of pressure on the mayor and the city council itself because it
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does seem like the department has not been able to handle what the protesters have been asking for there. a lot of duties have been handed over from the police department. and you see the tweet which is in some ways trying to deny what we were reporting but i think you'll see some of that pressure increase on the police chief simply because it's part of the plan to get this reform going. >> come to think of an area that's very much your expertise, the justice department is still investigating all about what went on with michael brown's death, how the police department handled it in ferguson. . if he were to step down, does that complicate things? >> it doesn't. part of the problem all along here has been this view inside the justice department that the leadership of the department was part of the problem. there was a letter that they sent just last month in which
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they were expressing some concern that there were officers who were still wearing these wristbands that say "i am darren wilson" which, you know, is obviously something that will inflame people on the streets. so there's been a lot of issues that they've had. so it won't complicate things because process is already on going. and aalso have a separate investigation into whether michael brown's civil rights were violated and those two things are still continuing on the same track. >> evan perez, great reporting. this could be a dramatic development, thanks so much for being with us. >> thanks. from the launch pad to kingdom come. it was bad enough to lose a spaus craft and its valuable cargo but is this one giant leap backward for private t private space industry?
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at this hour, 2,000 degree lava from hawaii's big island kilauea volcano is destroying property as was feared. the lava flow has burned a shed and is heading towards hundreds of homes. it's consumed a cemetery, it's triggered methane explosions in the town of pahoa on the big island. most residents have left but some are sticking around to watch the lava as it overtakes their home. evacuation isn't mandatory at this point. it's surprising, because there's nothing anyone can do to stop the flow. it's been essentially a slow-moving disaster since june
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from one of the most active volcanos in the world. >> so from danger on the ground to mishap in the sky, this morning the key question facing scores of scientists is what went wrong. what caused a huge explosion over virginia leaving the ground shaking in millions and millions of dollars in cargo and technology practically atomized, the rocket mishap providing a dramatic picture with possible significant consequences. look at this. >> engines at 108%. >> power nominal. >> launch team, launch team, be advised, stay at your consoles. everyone maintain your positions in your consoles. in the lcc, maintain positions at your console.
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>> thankfully that was an unmanned flight taking supplies, equipment and experiment to the space station, the international space station. but it certainly -- i guess you could be calling it a into question the future safety of the space program. miles o'brien joins us. i want to know if you think that's a fair assessment. will it make people question the safety of our space program? >> it should make people ask question questions but i don't think we should presuppose the answer that it's unsafe. getting to space is not easy michaela. you're starting at zero and eight and a half minutes later you're at 17,500 miles an hour. the laws of physics makes that a hard chore and you're pushing technology to the limits in every fashion it doesn't take much of a leap or you are the boy pump that fails to cause what we just saw. everything has to work perfectly and things break sometimes.
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>> so what did we just see, miles? you've had a chance to look at the video several times. what what do you think went wrong? >> i think the clue came in the news conference when the senior vice president of orbital sciences, former shuttle and space station astronaut frank hulbert son said it afears rocket began to disassemble. interesting term. >> doesn't sound good. >> breaking apart is probably the term we would use. it appears as if a piece fell out around the time they said "let's go to 108%." then you see a change in the coloration of the plume and things start to get crazy after that pretty quickly. the real question, we don't know how much of what we saw is organic to the problem, whatever it was. and how much of it was the later decision to push the red button which terminates the mission, as it were, the destruct button which every rocket is outfitted with. so the interesting thing about rockets is you don't have to go look for a black box, there's
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telemetry, every piece of equipment on a rocket is sending information back to mission control. that's what those people are doing in front of those consoles is looking at what's happening on board. so finding out what happened won't take as long as you might thi think. >> you talk about that disassembly, if you will. millions and millions of dollars went up. there were experiments, equipment for the international space station, technology, et cetera. how badly was that -- those supplies needed? >> first and foremost, no one will go hungry on the international space station this morning while we were all asleep in kazakhstan, russian territory, a russian progress freighter successfully made it to orbit and is on its way to the international space station with supplies, in december the california-based company spacex is going to launch another
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freight freighter orbital sciences was on the books to launch another one in april. i wouldn't put money on that one happening but the point is there are multiple paths to the space station and there's plenty of supplies on board. if nobody showed up until march they'd still be eating okay. >> a life supply of tang up there, thankfully. miles o'brien, great to have you with us. thanks so much. we should note there is another rocket launch today it will be the highlight of wolf blitzer's show from kavl. >> not virginia like where this last one -- >> no, people -- i was corrected by one of our writers. there have been rocket launches can from virginia for decades but not always unmanned. we'll show you a live broadcast launch from florida. >> very exciting. ahead at this hour, we are less than a week away from the election day. >> i can feel your excitement. >> less than a week away. what will happen? who will control the senate?
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we are going to tell you the answers to those questions coming up. >> and later, pope francis does it again, he said things about science and i are lidge i don't know. science and religion that you might not necessarily expect to hear from the vatican.
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less than one week to go until election day, less than one week until we know who will control the u.s. senate, who will control key statehouses, what the entire political atmosphere will be like for the next two years. but why wait until tuesday to find out what happens? >> we don't. we're immediate type people. our experts are here to give you their post-game analysis. it's so wonderful you are such good sports. joining us, republican dr. heye
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and robert zimmerman. doug, i'll start with you. let's start with the number one race you think republicans will be most proud of and is their most important one. >> sure, i'll allude to what you just said, the game will be over on tuesday. one of the races we're seeing great strides in for republicans is in iowa where republicans are overperforming on the absentee and early voting for joni ernst who's been a strong candidate for republicans. i spoke to matt strong, the great former iowa republican party chair just yesterday, he said "we'd rather be a republican than democrat in iowa." i eid also point out another race which is similar. new york 21. elise stefanic, she's a republican, 30 years old. i think they will be faces we'll see a lot more of on tv. >> she's a favorite of romney and bush insiders, too. you picked two races there. you broke the rules. robert, we'll ask you to stick to the rules. come next wednesday, the race democrats will be most prout proud of is -- >> georgia.
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we may not know the results until january 6. i don't agree with doug we'll have an answer by next tuesday or wednesday. in georgia there's a runoff that takes place and it takes place the day after congress reconvenes. why should bit easy? but in georgia, michelle nunn has run a brilliant campaign and the governor's race is also very close. and that speaks to the fact that the economic message is so critical until this election with all the talk about ebola and isis and all the political scare tactics this is an economic election. the country according to the cnn poll is feeling more optimistic about the economy. that's an advantage for democrats. >> all right. let's flip the script a little bit. robert we'll start with you and go the other direction. what will be the race that you think democrats just blew? >> i can give you a list. [ laughter ] i'll tell you this realistically south dakota was a missed opportunity for us. i think also, we had -- to the
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credit of the democratic campaign committee, they're running ahead of the approval rating. and one quick thought, the race to watch will be north carolina, the polls close early that's a bellwether, if we don't win that, i'll have haagen-dazs on iv. >> doug, what where do you think the republicans blew it? >> actually i would agree with robert. i'm looking at georgia and my home state of north carolina where i've worked three senate races in that state. republicans have to perform well there early for us to know if we're going to have a great night or a good night. robert is right. in georgia and also in louisiana we'll know if it's going to be a great night because we'll know if that goes to a runoff or not a runoff. election nights tind to be long night bus it could be a several weeknight. >> i'll stick with you, doug, looking at the economy and robert you referenced it a little bit.
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let's show this cnn/orc poll. 62% of americans think the economy is doing badly. 62%. that's significant, doug. you think that will make or break the elections next week? >> i think it's certainly why republicans are poised to do really well. voters are not happy. they are not feeling any recovery. we look at jobs numbers, we look at unemployment numbers and how they're changing and we can point to good news but americans aren't feeling it. they certainly aren't seeing their wages rise, that's a problem. >> see, doug that cnn poll also points out that the country's feeling more optimistic about the economy next year, and that's an important point. and the fact that this is an economic election plays into the democratic party's wheel housed a separating minimum wage, making college more affordable for kids, focussing on trying to rebuild the middle-class. that's where you see democrats running well and in some cases slightly ahead of republicans in these very republican states. >> gentlemen, i can't thank you enough for humoring us. we'll have you on after the election to see how right you were an don't forget, the
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another essentially big bang reverb rating through the catholic church courtesy of pope francis. >> he told the pontifical academy of sciences it is a mistake to view god as a magician who waved a wand and created everything. listen to this. he also said evolution and creation are not mutually exclusive. >> we knew just the man to ask about this, father edward beck is here. we're so glad you could join us to talk about this. let's first hear a translation of what the pope had to say. >> translator: the beginning of the world is not the work of chaos that owes its origin to something else, but it derives directly from a supreme principle that creates out of love. the big bang that today is considered to be the other gin of the world does not contradict the creative intervention of god. on the contrary, it requires it. evolution and nature is not in contrast with the notion of divine creation, because evolution requires the creation of the beings that evolve.
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>> so he's essentially saying that god sent science in motion. i'm not catholic. but this feels like for the uninitiated like a departure. or is it? >> he's saying that god set the world in motion, science followed that. that it wasn't something random that occurred. that there was a design, an intelligent design, behind this. why can't god create however god wants to create? and so you have the account in genesis where people -- some people -- take it literally. the catholic church has never taken it literally. you have adam and eve and everything from that so of course not. it's a mythic story to teach a religious truth about the power of god calling all into existence. pope francis is saying darwinism is okay if you want to believe that, that that's the way god did it, it was over a long process. the big bang theory, that's kind of new, the big bang theory, that part, because because the big bang theorists say it's random matter that came together and exploded. >> this takes the randomness out
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of it. >> right. he's saying it's not random. >> give me some comparative religion here if you would. how does the catholic church differ from other faiths or how does the pope now differ from what some other faiths feel about this? >> it's interesting to note this made news. but since 1950 with pious the 12th, the catholic church has thought that theistic evolution is possible. evangelical christians think you have to take it literally, god created the world in seven days. those who look at the bible and say, adam and eve, it all came from there. those are the people who would have a problem with what the pope is saying. pope benedict talked about the theory of evolution not being opposed to religion. >> so perhaps this isn't so much shocking within the catholic faith but maybe outside looking in because we've watched how
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this pope has in nuanced ways departed from the catholic church beliefs, fine-tuned some of them. does it feel bigger, you think, from outside the religion? >> it's different because it's francis saying. they weren't listening before. >> and it's the the way he said it. he did use the word magician there. that sends a message, i think. >> he's saying this magic religion you say we're part of, that's not what we are. we are realists and look at it there a spiritual lens. >> thank you so much. how about a little economics? >> let's do it. >> gas prices, ouch. oh, actually, they're cheap right now. is that a good thing? we'll explore after the break. we give you relief from your cold symptoms. you give them the giggles. tylenol® cold helps relieve your worst cold and flu symptoms. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more.
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first, gasoline prices, the national average down more than 30 cents in the past month. the lowest level since december 2010, according to aaa. several states now have averages below $3 a gallon, that means every day americans are spending more than $100 million less on gas than they did this time last year. expect to see even lower prices across the country in coming weeks. second, heating your home. this winter forecast to be warmer than last year. couple that with the drop in commodities like heating oil and the energy department predicts nearly everyone will be getting a break on their heating bill, including about half the country that uses natural gas. the big drop in oil prices may save you cash on gas and heat, but don't expect to see cheaper flights. airlines know that prices could rebound at any moment. so they'll use cheap prices to lock in cheap fuel for the future and boost their profits. those savings don't get passed on to you. but on balance, oil's plunge is
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a good thing. consumers save on energy and put that money to work elsewhere and that boosts the economy. citigroup estimates if brent crude prices fall to $80 a barrel, it would add $660 billion to the global economy every year. >> our christine romans joins us from in front of one of those very gas stations that will be boasting cheaper gas. but there's a new poll out that shows only 38% of americans think our economy is actually in good shape. gas prices are cheap, the economy is poor, where's the disconnect? >> reporter: yep. wages. wages are the big disconnect here. wages have basically been stagnant or falling for some groups. and really since the recovery, the people who benefited are people who already have money and already have jobs. that's the disconnect there. when you look at the poll numbers, you see people feel better going forward, just a slim majority think that things
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will be better over the next year, maybe a little more money in their pocket because of lower gas prices can help that. instead of hoping things will be better, they'll feel better. >> reason to be optimistic. means a lot more money for you in your wallet. there are major implications here, christine, on the international stage. russia, an oil power. iran, an oil power. there's a report this morning in "the new york times" that iran may be more likely to reach a nuclear deal because these gas prices are falling. >> reporter: yep. make no mistake. the politics, the geopolitics of falling oil prices are just as important as the geopolitics of rising oil prices. the russian parliament passed a budget that expects $100 oil. we're not there. that means big cuts for the russian economy and the russian people, right?
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big cuts on top of western sanctions. how will that change the dynamic when you're talking about what's happening with ukraine and u.s./russia relations? the report about tehran this morning in "the new york times," what's the pressure on the government there. if you're only getting $82 in the global market, it really changes things. people have called america saudi america. for years, i've heard people in the energy patch saying the global political powerhouses are going to change. that dynamic is going to change if the u.s. can produce enough oil and global energy prices can come down, that's good for america. at least right now, we know it's good for consumers. >> we know it's good that you just avoided being run down by that minivan. christine romans in jersey city on assignment for us at the gas station. >> we had your back, don't worry. >> great to have you with us. see you tomorrow. >> i was so excited when she was
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talking about airline prices because i thought, maybe holiday prices for my tickets home would go down. >> nope. >> darn. thanks for joining us. i'm michaela pereira. >> and i'm john berman. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. going to be loud. [ bleep ]. holy [ bleep ]. oh, my god! >> [ bleep ]. >> he said it would be loud. it was earth-shaking. a setback for the private space industry, a rocket headed tort space station down in flames, millions of dollars in supplies and scientific research up in smoke. so what went wrong? in alabama, a case that's gone from a bathroom stall to a federal courtrm.

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